eCat Performance: A Ferrari Made to Walk Like a Turtle

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Aldo Proia is CEO and commercial director of Italian eCat license holders Prometeon srl – he gave this interview to International Business Times a few days ago.

Prometeon CEO – Aldo Proia pictured inside one of Rossi’s 1MW industrial eCats

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Several eCat Models

Proia talked about some of the different models of ecat…

“The E-Cat exists in several versions, which are essentially the heat and, in the future, than electricity. In practice, the E-Cat can be at low temperature (120 ° C), already ordered, and between not very high temperature (600 ° C). In addition, the power can be electric, as the E-Cat “classic”, or gas version in advanced stage of development. In all cases, the minimum size is 1 MW thermal, and clients we work with are essentially small or large industries. The civil sector will only at a later time, since the price of the E-Cat current is amortized if the consumption of energy produced by it is the case for most of the year, so the ideal application is to provide process heat in industrial field. In the future will also be required for winter heating only and cooling. There is no fixed price list because it is a highly customizable according to customer needs, a bit ‘as it happens eg. for large biomass plants when you go on the sizes of megawatts or more. The price, in the cases mentioned above is however – especially in the gas version and, in the future, for that power – much improvement of the business plan than any alternative on the market.”

Marketing

“In this first phase, will be marketed large E-Cat industrial heating, followed by large electric E-Cat, at some point also be used for civilian use. In the second phase, will be sold in the domestic E-Cat, which can not be marketed until there is broad acceptance of the technology by the general public, which will predictably with the first operating systems installed at customer not military in Italy or abroad. For home, then, you must wait at least two years. In the third phase, the E-Cat could be implemented in the transport, which requires considerable investment in terms of money and R & D, for example. for miniaturizzarli.”

Commercial Interference

Proi then went on to discuss how pseudosceptics and disinfo tactics are being used to negatively impact the success of the ecat.

“Yes, there are people who, personally and / or on behalf of third parties dealing with publicly sow disinformation, doubts or anything negative on the subject of cold fusion and the invention of Rossi, sometimes inventing out of whole cloth parts of articles and systematically changing Wikipedia entries with blatant falsehoods. However both the Leonardo Corporation, which is fully equipped on the computer it is able to easily trace those responsible, that Prometeon srl constantly monitor the web saving each article artfully manipulated against our interests to store it and attribute it to an author or a tested, in order to present the bill – and not just metaphorically speaking – at the appropriate time. In fact, the Italian market the E-Cat industry is in theory about 25 billion euro and therefore who gets a financial loss to a company can not expect to act with impunity for a long time.”

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eCat Wikipedia Article: Marked For Deletion

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On the 30th October 2012, the Wikipedia page describing Andrea Rossi’s eCat technology was marked for deletion pending a discussion. The end result of that particular discussion was that it was to be saved.

“The result was keep. A really lengthy discussion. But, a bottomline is the following: fringe science or not, time will tell. However, the subject received extensive coverage, therefore an existence of this article is justified.”

Printed below are just some of the seemingly endless arguments for and against…

Strong Keep. “There is very strong evidence that a 1MW system of this has been sold to a customer – see Fox news . [1] where several eye witness reports are quoted. This is a very strange time to delete this, just as a massive publicity campaign is starting around the launch of this technology. And it is a disgrace to think this is ‘pseudo-science’ as 2 well known physicists based at one of the oldest universities in the world (Bologna) are working on this. A colleague, who studied under Focardi, has confirmed his credentials to me, so I personally know this is no simple scam as implied by the afd campaign.”–hughey (talk) 17:11, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Strong Keep. “It is not based on junk science but on the works of Focardi et al. who published in “Il nuovo cimento”, the most important Italian physics journal. See “Investigation of anomalous heat production in Ni-H systems”. Stengl (talk) 19:48, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Strong Keep. “Afd not justified. Wshymanski what you know about the energy catalyzer and cold fusion wouldn’t fill the tiny amount of space between your ears. Why don’t you go rub the two iq points you have together and see if you can start a fire like cavemen in the past. Stop wasting our time.” Ldussan (talk) 19:05, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Strong Keep. “If the reason for deletion is that you believe the device is a scam, why not wait just another 3 months or 6 months to let it be proven a scam?” — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.111.235.34 (talk) 11:50, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Keep. “Afd not justified. Forbes has 3 articles on it in last 15 days. It has made news for last 10 months in wash post, fox news also. As yet, nobody knows for sure, if its a scam or something real. ” — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.134.164.26 (talk) 05:02, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

“Afd not justified. This is not a free energy scam or pseudoscience(it has not been proved to be a scam or pseudoscience). It seems like a tendentious Afd proposal made by someone who doesn’t like the subject of the article.” –86.125.176.31 (talk) 17:23, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Reply by nominator. “It claims to transmute elements by chemical processes. Every such claim is incorrect, either due to ignorance or fraud. ( Please cite a counterexample.) This fellow claims to have scientists working with him, so he’s not ignorant.” –Wtshymanski (talk) 18:28, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Keep. “Afd not justified. There is no pseudoscience involved AND media coverage is quite respectable.“–NUMB3RN7NE (talk) 17:39, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Comment by nominator “The article says hydrogen atoms mutate nickel into copper by what appears to be chemical means. If someone posted an article about spinning flax into gold, we’d shoot it down unless it was clearly labelled fairy tales. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and this story is developing along the same line as every free-energy scammer of the last 1000 years. As another example of overheated claims that would overturn what we know of science, it’s not particularly notable.” –Wtshymanski (talk) 18:16, 30 October 2011 (UTC)“If the article says ‘chemical means’ that is an error that should be corrected. The energy created by chemical processes is insufficient by some orders of magnitude.”–Brian Josephson (talk) 20:13, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a long history of subverting the truth by omission and is well-known for the pro-establishment bias of it’s page editors. Many of it’s articles that deal with free / alternative energy / cold fusion and as they call them “fringe topics” would to be honest, be better off being deleted anyway as they serve no other purpose than to misinform an already confused and sceptical public. It’s quoted sources and references for many of these subjects are primarily mainstream news outlets such as Forbes / The Economist, etcetera, who only write about their own prejudices anyway. Can’t we just mark Wikipedia.com for deletion?

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eCat Investment: €65M On Hold Due To Test Results

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Swedish eCat License holders HydroFusion have issued a very public vote of no confidence in Andrea Rossi’s new “HotCat” technology after power claims could not be validated.

The problem the researchers had was that in their opinion excess heat being claimed was actually attributed wrongly by testers  using incorrect values in input of electrical resistance thereby cancelling out any excess heat claims due to LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reactions).

A prototype “HotCat” being tested.

Mats Lewan of NY Teknik broke the story in his article.

“Investor Group had instructed the SP Technical Research Institute of Sweden , to monitor the measurement, and the researchers who attended measuring an input electrical power that was two to three times higher than Rossi himself measured.The measurement used the SP called True RMS instruments”

“Hydro Fusion witnessed a new independent test of the high temperature ECAT prototype reactor on September 6th in Bologna. Although no full report has yet been received, early indications are that the results of the July 16th/August 7th reports could not be reproduced.”

“After measurement, announced Hydro Fusion investment offer withdrawn, and that the company will now examine whether the measurements affects the entire ECAT technology or just the new model.”

“Hydro Fusion cannot at this stage support any claims made, written or other, about the amount of excess heat generated by the new high temperature ECAT prototype.”

“It is important to make a clear distinction between högtemperaturprototypen, which test measurement has been made, and the recent safety certified 1 MW plant. We work for a separate validation of the 1 MW plant full operation, says Magnus Holm.”

All CAPS Firing

Rossi later reacted by releasing this statement through his blog…

THE HOT CAT ( REACTOR AT HIGH TEMPERATURE) HAS NOT BEEN YET VALIDATED, BECAUSE THE TESTS AND THE MEASUREMENTS HAVE STILL TO BE COMPLETED, AND TO COMPLETE THEM WILL BE NECESSARY AT LEAST 2-3 MORE MONTHS. I SAID THIS IN MY REPORT IN ZURICH AND I REPEAT THIS HERE.

THE PROFESSORS AND ENGINEERS WHO ARE MAKING THESE TESTS ARE SPECIALISTS AND THEIR WORK IS COMPLEX. FOR EXAMPLE, THE MEASUREMENT OF THE ENERGY CONSUMED HAS TO BE MADE IN A WAY THAT IS BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT, SO NOW WE ARE REPEATING THE MEASUREMENTS USING A VARIAC TO AVOID THAT ENERGY USED BY THE RESISTANCES IS NOT MEASURED BY THE VOLTMETER AND THE AMPEROMETER ( THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE MANY ISSUES THAT ARE UNDER PROBE). THEREFORE IT IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG TO USE THE EXPRESSION ” THE ENGINEERS WHO PERFORMED THE PUBLISHED VALIDATION”, WHILE IS CORRECT THE EXPRESSION ” THE PROFESSORS AND THE ENGINEERS WHO ARE PERFORMING THE VALIDATION IN COURSE”.

THE FINAL RESULTS WILL BE PUBLISHED IN A SCIENTIFIC MAGAZINE ONLY AFTER THE VALIDATION WILL HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.
I AM RECEIVING FROM MANY PERSONS THIS QUESTION: ” IS IT POSSIBLE TO INVEST IN THE HOT CAT”? MY ANSWER IS: NO, IT IS NOT, BECAUSE THE REACTOR FOR HIGH TEMPERATURES IS NOT READY, IS NOT AS PRODUCT, IS A PROTOTYPE SUBJECT TO RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT AND I WANT NOT TO PUT ANYBODY AT RISK BEFORE THE HOT CAT IS NOT YET A PRODUCT. OF COURSE I BELIEVE IN IT, I AM INVESTING MY MONEY IN IT, BUT I WANT NOT TO PLAY FOOT BALL WITH THE BONES OF THE OTHERS.
Warm Regards,
Andrea Rossi

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Cold Fusion: Are We There Yet?

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It’s a story that’s had more twists and turns than a good spy novel. It started so well, but nearly two years on, have the wheels fallen off the LENR bus or is it about to take off at high speed?

In January 2011 a small and relatively quiet public demonstration was held in Bologna, Italy of a tabletop device called the eCat (Energy Catalyzer).   What was so special about this device you may ask?  Simply that it has the potential to change the world.

Simplified eCat reactor diagram

Nickel Hydrogen Fuel

The eCat (we are told), uses minute amounts of powdered Nickel and Hydrogen in a pressurized “reactor” (only a few inches in size) to create small LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reactions), or CALENR (Chemically Assited Low Energy Reactions) – these surface reactions result in the production of vast quantities of heat, many times in excess of what should be possible, and way beyond the energy that could be harvested from any chemical reaction.  The nickel-hydrogen fuel (rumoured now be in the form of a solid hydride) lasts approximately 6 months before it needs replacing in the form of a new cartridge, and since Nickel is one of the cheapest and most abundant materials on earth, the fuel cartridges should quite literally be “dirt-cheap”.

Safety

So what about safety you ask? – well, what makes this technology even better is that the particular reaction involved in this process does not produce any radioactive waste or harmful bi-products. What seems to be produced are trace amounts of copper  – a bi-product of the transmutation of the Nickel.

The end of polluting forms of energy?

The possibilities in application? – endless.  First of all, there would be obvious implications for the energy sector with trillion dollar markets in oil, coal, gas and renewables under increasing threat, not to mention the ever more controversial nuclear industry. The first impact though, would be on the stock market, where any serious and credible announcement of a viable replacement for fossil fuels would have an immediate financial impact.  The actual real impacts in production would most likely be limited and short-lived as a slow transition away from oil, coal, gas and nuclear gradually gathered pace -possibly taking many decades to occur.

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Andrea Rossi

The inventor of the eCat – an Italian engineer named Andrea Rossi was working with Greek firm, Defkalion Green Technologies and together would commercialize the technology for use in both industrial premises and the wider household consumer market.  All was going to plan until later in 2011 the two parties had a disagreement of sorts which resulted in each continuing down their own separate path to commercialization – but now of course as direct competitors.

The drama continued to unfold with high level endorsements of the eCat from extremely reputable scientists, a Nobel physics prize winner, and other suitably qualified individuals. NASA even got involved, but nothing materialized in the way of an official endorsement or joint development – despite an admission that LENR is the energy of the future.  Meanwhile, the saga continued to polarize opinions with Rossi’s colourful past and his unconventional style being used to argue against the validity of his claims.  Soon a 1MW plant (made from 50 or so smaller eCats housed in a shipping container) was shown off and apparently sold to a customer for the princely sum of 1 million dollars.  The mysterious unknown customer? apparently a branch of the military who is still to this day “publicity shy”.

Rossi stands in front of the 1MW eCat plant housed in a shipping container.

A year of constant drama followed with what seemed an endless stream of negatively charged articles (surely particles? –  Ed.) from Widom-Larsen proponents – New Energy Times.  It didn’t stop there either.  Next to crash the party was Australian millionaire entrepreneur and outspoken pseudosceptic Dick Smith, who waved his more than ample wallet with an offer of one million cases of vegemite dollars to Rossi for a successful demonstration of the eCat.

Rossi treated the offer with disdain, but Defkalion were up for the challenge and jumped at the invitation.  In the end though, both parties could not agree on various aspects of the test protocols, and so no wager ever took place.

Today, Rossi continues to communicate directly to supporters through his suitably named Journal Of Nuclear Physics blog, with commercialization still the focus.  Several refinements and improvements later – the eCat is now purported to be “solid state” (whatever that means), the hydrogen gas bottle has now been replaced with a solid hydrogen pellet and the new operational temperature of the eCat is now claimed to be 600 1,000, 1200 degrees centigrade, but to date there has been no solid verifiable independent test results despite many suitably qualified observers staking their reputations that it works as described.

Meanwhile Defkalion have fell silent, despite assurances that they would post independent test results from various qualified testers. The only “evidence” of progress in over 6 months are two pdf documents. One was  a photographic progress report released several months ago and then again at the end of June, a second progress report. Also unchanged in several months is a page on the website advertising thirty eight supposed job vacancies – everything from electrical engineers to account executives.  The latest information seems to be that they intend to leave Greece and focus development of their Hyperion product in Canada, so where does that leave the Greek based job advertisements one wonders?

There is no doubt that LENR can produce excess energy in the form of heat, but the problem for many is that both the stability of the reactions and power figures Rossi and Defkalion claim (in the Kw/h range) are way beyond what everyone else in the industry seems to be able to  achieve. Meanwhile other individuals are publishing results and are not claiming such out of this world power output, such as Francesco Celani (video below).

So 6-12 months from now will the world wake up to a new era of clean energy generation? In the absence of solid unambiguous independent confirmation, one”s belief or skepticism  simply comes down to a weighing up of the circumstantial evidence presented so far.

Both Defkalion and Rossi exhibit supreme confidence in their respective aims to develop a commercially available product – if the answer to the question of whether they have a verifiable working product could be gleaned from sheer outward confidence and grandstanding alone, then it would be a resounding yes – for those waiting for solid unquestionable third-party proof, the wait continues.

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